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		<title>The pain of photo management part 2</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[So I already wrote about the pain of photo management. I did finally get all my photos in the same place and have removed most of the duplicates. I am now back to searching for a suitable program/programs to use &#8230; <a href="http://os-agnostic.com/2008/02/the-pain-of-photo-management-part-2/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I already wrote about the <a href="http://www.os-agnostic.com/2008/02/the-pain-of-photo-management/">pain of photo management</a>. I did finally get all my photos in the same place and have removed most of the duplicates. I am now back to searching for a suitable program/programs to use in a photo workflow.</p>
<p>My requirements haven&#8217;t changed much- I even got rid of a few options:</p>
<ul>
<li>Allows upload to Flickr in the most painless way possible- but exporting to a folder will work.</li>
<li>Allows tags, and those tags must also upload to Flickr so I don’t have to tag twice. It must also embed tags in the photo itself in some kind of standard way.</li>
<li>Allow for basic fixes- color correction, cropping, brightness/contrast, etc.</li>
<li>Not 100% necessary, but I really like some kind of straightening feature (Picassa and F-Spot have this) because I tend to take crooked pics.</li>
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<p>The most difficult thing is tagging- if I didn&#8217;t care about tagging on my computer, it wouldn&#8217;t be a big deal. But I do. I would be willing to import photos, tag them, and then add them to a photo management program, but I can&#8217;t find anything for that either. I have so far evaluated three programs in depth. Here is a short list of pros and cons of each.</p>
<h3>F-Spot (Gnome Linux)</h3>
<p>Pros</p>
<ul>
<li>Dead simple to use &#8211; one long stream of photos, which I like the best for browsing photos.</li>
<li>Lovely tagging features- while viewing a photo, I just press &#8220;t&#8221; and enter tags separated by a comma.  I&#8217;m a big fan of keyboard shortcuts.</li>
<li>Nice, simple image editing features. Kinda like Picassa, which I also like.</li>
<li>Has a really nice versioning system.</li>
</ul>
<p>Cons</p>
<ul>
<li>Will not let me just keep the images where they are- it insists on importing, putting into a new folder, and reorganizing by a date based file structure. This wouldn&#8217;t be a big deal if I didn&#8217;t already have a lot of past images separated into categories.</li>
<li>Rotating is done by marking exif data, which isn&#8217;t recognized when I upload to Flickr, which means I have to re-rotate in Flickr. I can get past this by rotating using the Ubuntu image browsing program instead.</li>
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<p>Really, I could totally live with this program if it would only leave my photos where they are! Maybe I should just let it go, but I find this a major limitation. I also think it will be very problematic if I ever need to do a wipe of the hard drive again.</p>
<h3>DigiKam (KDE Linux)</h3>
<p>Pros</p>
<ul>
<li>Very full featured- lots of photo editing options, powerful search, can do saved searches, albums, lots of ways to slice and dice your photos.</li>
<li>Exports to Flickr</li>
<li>Pretty &#8211; it is a nice looking program.</li>
</ul>
<p>Cons</p>
<ul>
<li>Not very usable- at least for me. There are a lot of keyboard shortcuts, but not for what I want to do. For instance, there&#8217;s a keyboard shortcut to add a tag to the list of tags, but not one to add it to the photo.</li>
<li>So far, I can&#8217;t get tags to upload to Flickr.</li>
<li>As far as I can tell, no &#8220;photostream&#8221; view- you have to chose an album or a folder, so short of moving all my photos into one album, I can&#8217;t look at everything at once.</li>
<li>Although image editing is robust, it&#8217;s annoying to do quick fixes.</li>
</ul>
<p>At first DigiKam looked like exactly what I was looking for- it is surprisingly full featured, and it exports to Flickr natively (and other online image programs). It even runs pretty well in Gnome even though it is a KDE program. But I have found it frustratingly hard to use. I can&#8217;t quickly use the keyboard to enter tags- I have to select from a list, which, when you tag a lot, can get annoying. I feel like I am missing things in this program &#8211; features are not as apparent as in F-spot (mostly because it has lots of other features).</p>
<h3>Adobe Photoshop Lightroom (Windows, free 30 day trial)</h3>
<p>Pros</p>
<ul>
<li>Sleek and professional, which one would expect, since it is a $300 program.</li>
<li>Has tagging which writes to EXIF info.</li>
<li>Very quick and responsive.</li>
<li>As expected from adobe, nice photo adjustment features</li>
</ul>
<p>Cons</p>
<ul>
<li>$300. Actually, I can get it for $99 (student discount), but still.</li>
<li>Tagging is STILL not as easy as I would like. There&#8217;s a way to assign keywords to numbers and tag things quickly that way, but I just want to type in words. Maybe once I get used to the workflow it wouldn&#8217;t be a big deal.</li>
<li>No Flickr upload, but there&#8217;s <a href="http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20060925191354173">a workaround</a>.</li>
<li>Way overpowered for what I need. I like the option of other features, though.</li>
</ul>
<p>I dunno. I actually want a Windows app, since the photos are not just mine but my husband&#8217;s as well, so it makes sense to keep them on the shared computer. I&#8217;ll have to play with lightroom a little more to see if I like it. I have not tried the flickr upload workaround yet.</p>
<h3>Possibilities</h3>
<p>I have not ruled out lightroom yet, but I&#8217;d really like NOT have to spend $$$. I really like the image editing features in Picassa, but it won&#8217;t embed metadata.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking I may end up with a workflow like this:</p>
<ul>
<li>Import images, rotate, delete bad ones, tag (in what program??)</li>
<li>Use photo editing program to fix up the best ones and then export (hopefully keeping tags)</li>
<li>Use Either a flickr uploader program or a <a href="http://lifehacker.com/software/hack-attack/automatically-upload-a-folders-photos-to-flickr-262311.php">python script to upload pics to Flickr</a>.</li>
</ul>
<p>Keep in mind that I am not a professional photographer, and I really don&#8217;t want to be one, so this is just for hobby. I don&#8217;t need high def, I just want to get photos findable and work out a process to get them uploaded easily. I have great pictures in my backlog (I have digital images going back to 1998 and scanned images from before that) but I can&#8217;t ever find them when I need them. I am way too picky, though.</p>
<p>ooo! Just found <a href="http://osp.wikidot.com/the-big-picture">this page</a>. Maybe there&#8217;s hope&#8230;</p>
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